THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SAY ON THE RECORD THIS MORNING THAT
I CAN DO SOME KIND OF AN UPDATE?
the record you can say that the Center for Marine Archaeology
and Anthropology at the Cuban Academy of Sciences is currently
analyzing video data which we have from the perimeter of the site
from megalithic stones. They are working on inscriptions that
they have detected on these stones and they are analyzing them
at this time.
WHAT ARE THE ESTIMATED SIZES OF
estimated sizes of these stonesthey are roughly about two
by five meters. Very large stones. That's about six feet by fifteen
or sixteen feet, something like that.
YOU MENTIONED POSSIBLY THE SAME KIND OF LOOK AS THE PERIMETER
STONES AT STONEHENGE? THAT KIND OF RECTANGULAR LOOKING?
the same kind of stone that you see on Easter Island and in Stonehenge.
Very large and smooth and light colored that bear no relationship
to the surrounding ecology. And also there is evidence of smooth
cut and fit, that is one on top of another, as if the basis of
a pyramid or large building.
ON THOSE STONES, WHERE ARE THE POSSIBLE INSCRIPTIONS? YOU KNOW,
LIKE TOP OR BOTTOM OR MIDDLE OR?
are not anywhere specific on the stones, these inscriptions. They
could be in the middle of the stones and various parts of the
stones across. One thing we found, the anthropologist found, was
an American cross. It's a Central American cross.
THAT WHERE TWO LINES ARE CROSSED PERPENDICULAR TO EACH OTHER WITH
ANYTHING SPECIAL ON THE ENDS?
They are not two lines. They are two oval shapes crossing each
LONG OVALS CROSSING EACH OTHER THE WAY A CROSS CROSSES?
The way a cross crosses, only the shape is not a single line.
It is a flattened circle.
THESE SO FAR FROM WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN ON THE VIDEO SEEM TO BE INSCRIBED
INTO THE STONE LIKE A QUARTER OF AN INCH OR HALF AN INCH?
we can't tell really the depth. There is limited lighting and
limited perspective as well because of thewe had technical
problems with the ROV.
IS REALLY DARK AT A HALF MILE DOWN, ISN'T IT?
there is no light at all except for what we provide.
SO YOU ARE LIMITED IN ONLY WHAT YOU CAN GET IN THAT LIGHT IN FRONT
OK. We have good lighting now and we have a low light camera to
add to our two or three other cameras we have there as well. To
our zoom camera and we have several cameras that work down there
and we have good lighting. There was a lot of debris in the water
at that time, created by a strong current, probably by plankton.
DO YOU THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GO DOWN WITH ALL THE CAMERAS
Well, hopefully, if we get all our systems back together within
the next two months and we get a break in the weather.
THE MUSEUM THAT IS TRYING TO ANALYZE THESE CARVED INSCRIPTIONS
YOU HAVE SEEN SO FAR, HAVE YOU HAD ANY INDICATION THAT THEY THINK
IT MATCHES ANY KNOWN ANCIENT SCRIPT?
We don't have any conclusions yet. They are, the analysis is still
THEY MADE ANY COMMENT ABOUT THEM, THE SYMBOLS OR CARVINGS?
said the lettering is Greek-like. Hold on just a minute. Why don't
you talk to my boss.
I WOULD LOVE TO.
name is Paulina Zelitsky.
Zelitsky: Hi, Linda.
I'M SO HAPPY TO MEET YOU ON THE PHONE.
thank you. I was overhearing my husband and I don't want you to
make any bad mistakes mixing Greek, because it is not Greek. It
has the same tendency, but it is not Greek. We don't know what
it is and scientists are trying to decipher it.
RIGHT. IT HAS SOME RESEMBLANCE
IN LETTERING TO GREEK, BUT IS NOT GREEK. AND THERE ARE SOME LIKE
PICTOGRAPHS THAT WOULD FALL INTO THE HIEROGLYPHIC CATEGORY AS
and symbols as well. There are different signs, more like American
nature, like they have found in Central America. Pyramids. And
strong delineation of the structures which suggest pyramidal type,
American pyramidal type, not Egyptian pyramidal type.
OK, YOU MEAN BY THE GLYPH SYMBOLS
THAT WOULD BE FOUND IN MESOAMERICAN PYRAMIDS?
AN EXAMPLE IS THAT CROSS MADE OF OVALS CROSSING EACH OTHER?
an example. That's correct. And that type of cross is called an
American cross. We find it in Cuba in a variety of caves and on
the island. They are very ancient, pre-Columbian, probably thousands
of years before Columbus. You know, Cuba has submerged three times
in our information of the islands.
SO CUBA HAS GONE UNDER THE WATER THREE TIMES?
IN CAVES UNDERWATER AROUND THE ISLAND, THE AMERICAN CROSS HAS
BEEN FOUND CARVED IN?
and other symbology, other cosmic type depictions. And you find
this in Cuban caves around the island, not only in the south but
in the north. And those caves are underwater caves. One cave I
know of is on land and it has this type of symbology as well.
WHEN ARCHAEOLOGISTS HAVE STUDIED THE CARVINGS IN THE CAVES ON
CUBA, HAVE THEY BEEN ABLE TO MATCH THOSE SYMBOLS AND GLYPHS TO
ANY OTHER PRE-EXISTING KNOWN LANGUAGE?
are trying to match it to Central American, but it is distinctive
on its own. It's very difficult to say that ancient American symbology
is identical to this. It is not identical. It's similar, but not
Frank Joseph, Editor-In-Chief, Ancient American,
of the Americas before Columbus, Colfax, Wisconsin:
Luwians were a peoples who lived about the same time as the Trojans
that lived in what is now Turkey. They were either an ally of
the Trojans, a close ally during the Trojan War and before. Or
else in fact, they were Trojans. Some Luwian script has supposedly
been found in Italy and they think that is an important link between
the Etruscans and Asia Minor, or what is now Turkey. And the Luwians
were maritime people, very proficient at sea.
THIS CROSSED OVAL SYMBOL OF THEIRS, RELATED TO WHAT IS LETTERED
AS 'LU,' ALSO GOES ACROSS ALL THE COLUMNS IN COMPARISON TO OTHER
LANGUAGES WHERE THE SYMBOL APPEARS TO MEAN 'STAR.'
A star, yeah. But maybe. That "lu" that is repeated is like they
are identifying themselves, the Luwians. They might have called
themselves the "lu." It is very interesting. That whole cultural
context is Atlantean because the Atlanteans were plugged into
the Trojans. The Trojans themselves had a story of Atlantis. Their
founder was Dardanus who came from Atlantis. Elektra, when she
was sinking into the sea. This is highly complex, thinly woven
stuff, you know!!
YOU PLEASE SHARE THE STORY FROM THE TROJAN POINT OF VIEW ABOUT
Trojans were a people who built their city around 3,000 B. C.
And they chose that spot at the Dardanelles because it was a very
valuable place for trade between the East and the West. You had
access then to the Black Sea. Whoever controlled the Dardanelles
controlled trade. So Troy over time became a very wealthy city.
And the myth of Dardanos is that he was born on an island far
away to the West. And his mother was Elektra. Her father was Atlas,
the name of the island that Atlantis was on. She was the daughter
of Atlas and her mother was Clione. Boy this is getting really
. . .
THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT PLATO TALKS ABOUT.
And Clione was the sea goddess who produced what is known as the
Pleiades. And Pleiades means daughter of Atlas which is Atlantis.
That's what Atlantis means, daughter of Atlas.
MEANS DAUGHTER OF ATLAS?
means daughter of Atlas. It is a poetic way of saying this is
THE FACT THAT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN AN ATLANTIS THAT HAD BASES
THAT SPREAD ALL THE WAY FROM WEST OF THE STRAITS OF GIBRALTAR
THAT MIGHT HAVE INCLUDED THE AZORES, THE CANARY ISLANDS AND DOWN
ACROSS THE ATLANTIC IS WHAT BEGINS TO EMERGE AS A GREATER TRUTH.
NOT ONE SINGLE ISLAND.
Now, the relationship between Atlantis and Troy is not the same
as the relationship between say Atlantis and the Yucatan, for
example, where they had an allied kingdom. They really owned the
Yucatan. Or they would own parts of Ireland and Spain. That was
really plugged in tight to the Atlantean Empire.
FAR BACK WOULD YOU PUT THIS SINCE PLATO SAYS GOING THROUGH SOLON
AND IN THE CRITEAS '9000 YEARS' AND THAT WOULD PLACE IT AT ABOUT
11,500 YEARS AGO?
that's another story altogether. My colleagues and I have worked
very hard since the 1980s on these dates. And those dates are
a mistake, that was a mistake in translation. The Greeks used
a calendar that was very similar to ours. They used a solar calendar
of about 365 days. A standard solar calendar. The Egyptians used
a minimum of five different calendars and theirs, including a
solar calendar. Their priests and holy places where they had the
story of Atlantis which was at the holy place called the Temple
of Knife in Egypt. They used a lunar calendar.
concluded that the Egyptian priest, when he said 9,000 years,
is talking about lunar years and not solar years. There is abundant
evidence to show that is exactly what he was saying. And the Greeks,
when they heard this, they thought solar years. So when Platoall
of the numerical values in the Criteas and the Timaeus are totally
inflated beyond reality. They do not work with the description
that Plato gives. Plato describes a late bronze age citadel or
was a huge gap in knowledge between Plato's and Solon's time and
what happened in Atlantis. Because we now know that when the Bronze
Age stopped suddenly around 1200 B. C., that for the next 400
years at least there was a period of profound Dark Age. There
was no more writing. There was no more building of cities. The
population of the world had decreased phenomenally. There was
widespread burning. The entire Black Forest of Germany was incinerated.
Every, not virtually, but every known archaeological site in the
Near East and Asia Minor were burned. It is now understood that
there was a major catastrophe of which Atlantis was only a small
part that whipped around the world in a band literally from about
Iceland to oh, say, the middle of North Africa. It affected North
America, went right through the Pacific.
was a symposium of archaeo-astronomers back in 1997, not New Age
people at all, in England, in which they found that probably the
greatest natural catastrophe human beings ever witnessed was around
1200 B. C. And that was when two or more comets, including Haley's
Comet, converged in the skies over earth and showered the world
with a barrage of asteroids and meteors that pushed human beings
to the brink of extinction.
Atlantis was especially hard hit because there are two Swedish
physicists, Thomas Larsson and Lars Franzen, who established in
1997 that several asteroidsI'm not talking about meteoritesseveral
asteroids! collided in the eastern Atlantic precisely in the location
of Atlantis and that is why we can explain why an island the size
of Atlantis which was 6,000 square milesit was not a continent,
it was a big island. And it was destroyed. If you have an island
out in the middle of the water and it's hit by several nuclear
blasts at once, the chances of that thing being around are slim.
WHAT YOU MEAN IS THAT THE IMPACT OF THESE BREAKING OR COLLIDING
ASTEROIDS WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUIVALENT TO ATOMIC BOMB FORCES HITTING
ON THE ISLAND?
H-Bomb forces. And they didn't even have to hit the island itself.
The island was part of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge which is a very
unstable part of the planet geologically. You could have an asteroid
collision hundreds of miles away, but if it hit the Mid-Atlantic
Ridgethat's the end of that island.
THE BRIEF ARTICLE YOU HAVE IN THE SEPTEMBER TO OCTOBER ISSUE OF
ANCIENT AMERICAN ABOUT A SPANISH OIL RESEARCH GROUP BEING IN THE
AZORES AND FINDING DOWN 2800 FEET NINE COLUMNS SUPPORTING SOME
KIND OF STONE SLAB ROOF . . .
IT MIGHT LITERALLY CONNECT TO THERE HAVING BEEN SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE
THERE IN THIS 1200 B. C. TIME FRAME?
I think so. It works out real well. Unfortunately, I have not
been able to verify that report anymore than you have seen. But
I would bet that it was part of the 1200 B. C. destruction because
it was so massive at that time. We know for example that many
parts of the world like Britain and Germany lost 9/10th of their
population all at once. So, we're dealing with a massive, almost
an extinction, human extinction, in various parts of the world
all at the same time. And I think that's entirely possible.
would explain also perhaps how this structure now found off Cuba
is where it is. We understand that possibly that it was part of
a much larger complex. I'm beginning to think that what they are
finding there was much larger originally, and what they are finding
now is only a small part, a remnant, that was perhaps on a kind
of shelf which sank vertically. That is not impossible. Things
like that have been known to happen before in the Atlantic and
that this part remained upright and that's what they are finding."
of the most mysterious cultures on earth are known as the Etruscans.
Twenty-five hundred years ago they lived in a region of Italy
known as Tuscany. No one knew who they were or where they came
from. The Etruscans were skilled sailors and craftsmen and they
left behind carved in stone blocks, columns and other artifacts
a language that no one has ever been able to translate. It resembles
Greek, but is not Greek.
haven't seen what they found down there. It sounds like if it
looks Greek, but isn't Greek, that might be that it's Etruscan.
I'm not saying the site underwater is an Etruscan site. That's
probably unlikely. The Etruscans did not build things that look
like Teotihuacan, that's for sure! But the Etruscans, where did
they get their written language? It's possible that what we're
looking at in Etruscan is a variation of the Atlantean language.
We don't know what the Atlantean written language looks like.
But it appears to be the precursor, not just of Greek, but other
written languages in other parts of the world. So, it's possible
that if they look to Etruscan, they might be able to see some
similarities. That's not much help though. Even if they identify
it as Etruscan, they won't be able to read it because the Etruscan
written language has not yet been deciphered. They've gotten some
names off it and little snatches of things, but the language itself
is really bizarre because it is a Greek type written language,
but the language itself is more like Turkish or something. It's
really very perplexing.
Etruscans are far more directly connected to Atlantis because
Plato in his discussion of Atlantis mentions the Etruscans specifically
as being an outpost of Atlantis, that the Atlanteans came to western
Italy and set up their estate there and sort of inter-married
with the people and created what became known as the Etruscans.
FROM THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE ON ATLANTIS RESEARCHAND I THINK
IT'S FAIR TO SAY YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT PLATO'S DESCRIPTION AND
HERODITUS OF THIS ATLANTEAN CIVILIZATION THAT IT REALLY DID EXIST.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE ATLANTEAN CULTURE IN THAT PERIOD FROM
3,000 TO 1200 B. C. BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE STUDIED?
I can tell you is that the Atlanteans who developed on an island
outside the Straits of Gibralter developed an extremely powerful
sea civilization. They were great seafarers. Plato described the
Atlanteans as great seafarers and great miners. And that works
out extremely well with the copper mining that took place in North
AmericaI'm not going to get into that, but there was a major
copper mining enterprise that involved a minimum of half a billion
tons of raw copper being removed and disappearing during that
time period. And I believe the Atlanteans fit the bill for that.
THIS WAS THE 5,000 MINES OF THE NORTHERN PENINSULA OF MICHIGAN
THAT ARE EACH ABOUT 60 FEET DEEP?
the average depth is probably like 20 feet deep for the pit mines,
but there were many pit mines that were excavated through solid
rock 60 feet down. So, whoever did that obviously had a technology
far beyond anything that was known to the native Americans at
that time who were not interested in anything more than float
copper, copper they picked up off the ground. But this is one
of the greatI hate to use the word conspiracy, but it certainly
is suppressed evidence that American scholars have known about
for more than 100 years that there was a huge copper mining enterprise
in upper Michigan that lasted from 3,000 B. C. to 1,200 B. C.those
magic dates againin which a minimum of half a billion pounds
of the world's highest grade copper was excavated and disappeared.
Meanwhile on the opposite side of the world, the Bronze Age erupts
and bronze is only made through high grade copper combined with
zinc and tin. So, I think that what Plato was talking about are
these ancient copper miners who were able to mine through their
tremendous technological development and ship this huge prodigious
amount of raw copper to Europe where it became the merchants,
the copper barons, of the ancient world and that is what made
them so phenomenally wealthy and powerful.
AN INTERESTING POSSIBLE DISCOVERY IN THIS UNDERWATER MEGALITHIC
SITE THAT'S UNDER RESEARCH IS THAT IN SOME OF THE SONAR DATA,
NOT THE VIDEOTAPE, BUT THE SONAR DATA, THERE ARE SOME RETURNS
THAT SUGGEST THAT THERE MIGHT BE METAL, LIKE METAL ON THE TOPS
ON SOME OF THE OBJECTS. WOULD THE USE OF METAL AS SHEETING ON
STRUCTURES BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESEARCH
now we are getting really close to the Atlantean realm. Plato
tells us that at the height of their prosperity to show off their
wealth, would actually sheet their outer walls of the city with
great sheets of what he called 'orichalcum.' Orichalcum means
nothing more than high grade copper which didn't exist in Europe
in large numbers like North America. So, here were people who
used a design technique, an architectural technique of including
sheets of precious metal in their walls and now we are finding
this supposedly at a site underwater off of Cuba. I would say
now we are beginning to narrow in on a cultural commonality.
WHERE DO YOU THINK ALL OF THIS IS HEADED?
know exactly where it is headed. Some time this century, the greatest
archaeological find in history is going to be made when identifiable
remains of Atlantis are going to be found. And the beginnings
of that began in 1968 when they found the Bimini road or wall
or whatever they refer to it as. It's still highly controversial,
but that place has been thoroughly established as artifactual.
The structure in Cuba may be part of that. It's very possible
it's part of it. They are bread crumbs on the trail and the final
discovery of Atlantis is going to be made because the technology
now for underwater research is developing at such an extent they
are turning the oceans transparent. And what's under the oceans,
what's actually hidden under the silt. And I think a lot of Atlantis
is not only buried under the water, but under the silt and so
on. That discovery is going to be made. That's where it's headed,
hopefully in our life time, but I would say definitely in the
21st century Atlantis will be found. I am really confident that
is going to happen.
HAPPENS TO THE ACADEMIC WORLD THEN?
is stood on its ear because the academic world has been demanding
for the last 100 years that anybody who believed in Atlantis believes
in fantasy, they don't know what they are talking about, they
are very unscientific. And beyond that, they say civilization
just began 5,000 years ago very slowly in Mesopotamia between
the Tigris and Euphrates. Well, all of that is going to have to
be thrown out! We are going to be looking at something completely
different now. In other words, all of the textbooks, our entire
concept of where we came from is going to have to be changed."